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Re:True Crime ending
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2003, 03:57:31 PM »

Do you guys have any explanation for the Santa Claus reference in the movie?

After Everett visited Beachum, he starts talking to the warden, and outside, the warden says to Everett:

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No use trying to figure out who’s naughty or nice and then come sliding down the chimney like a hero. Not on execution day. You’re not Santa Claus. No such thing as Santa Claus

Then, by the end of the movie, the homeless guy -dressed as Santa- sees Everett coming out of the store and the following is the last piece of their conversation:

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Homeless Man: I have been here 2 hours freezing my ass off. I’m going home

Everett: You haven’t got a home

Homeless Man: I got no wife and no elves either. You want to be Santa Claus these days, you on your own.

Everett: You’re right there, pal. Santa Claus rides alone

The only Santa Claus connection I can think of, is that Beachum is going to be killed at midnight and that's the time Santa is "scheduled" ( Wink ) to show up.

Santa works hard all year in order to deliver the gifts on time, Everett will have to work hard -in a day- to prove that Beachum is innocent and by doing so, Everett is giving him the gift of life.

But... this is just a thought I had and I feel that there is more to it, I have been thinking about it and I really can't form any other conclusion than the one I mentioned above.

Do you guys have any other interpretation for (or any other thought about) the Santa Claus reference?
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2003, 04:38:41 PM »

Xichado, I'm crowning you the "King of Symbolism" on our board.  Wear the crown with good health, my friend.


This is an interesting question, and something that I've never stopped to wonder about. Without looking back at the scene, I remember this line spoken by Everett:

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Santa Claus rides alone.

I've often wondered what exactly he means by that.  Now that you've got me scratching my head a little, let me offer the first thoughts that come to me, and maybe it'll be way out there, or maybe it'll make sense.  

To me, Santa Claus is a symbol of generosity, selflessness, goodness and charity. And although children believe in him, when they grow up they don't anymore. It could be seen as one of the first big disillusionments in many children's lives. As we grow up, we stop believing in fairy tales, and as we see more of the harsher realities of life, many stop believing in some of the good things that he represents.  But, there are good people out there, doing good things for people out of generosity, selflessness, goodness and charity. And like Santa Claus, many of these do-gooders will be viewed as frauds through the cynical, skeptical eyes of a disillusioned society. Sometimes the good deeds they want to accomplish will be roadblocked by others who have something to gain by it. To be a "Santa Claus" you have to be ready and willing to fight for your cause and work hard to make people believe in you.

. . . Everett is giving him the gift of life.

And I think that's the bottom line.  Everett worked hard to make people believe in him, fought those trying to stop him, and delivered his gift.  And he did it alone, just like Santa.
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2003, 07:18:37 PM »

Do you guys have any explanation for the Santa Claus reference in the movie?

I just figured he was there becuase it was Christmas.

And with the Santa rides alone quote, he has the reindeer....
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2003, 10:12:15 PM »

Xichado, I'm crowning you the "King of Symbolism" on our board.  Wear the crown with good health, my friend.

aw! thanks!   Cool

Thank you for your post. I was thinking more or less the same about Santa Claus, about how Everett has such an almost impossible task to prove Beachum's innocence in such a small amount of time, just like Santa needs to deliver all the gifts, in time, all over the world.

Everett found out who was nice (innocent) and naughty (guilty), and he did come out looking like a hero, but a lonely one. And as a lonely Santa Claus, we see Everett walking away with gifts for his family. The family that he was forced to sacrifice in order to save the life of an innocent man. Everett will drop/offer the gifts but it's clear he's not staying. (stealing Lilly's pic from her post)



I tried to see the Santa reference from different angles, from the two girls point of view and tried to understand their roles in this grown-up story . You explained it better when you said:

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As we grow up, we stop believing in fairy tales, and as we see more of the harsher realities of life, many stop believing in some of the good things that he represents

I think the children are there to remind us of the innocence we all had once, of the good things we once believed in.

And with the Santa rides alone quote, he has the reindeer....

Are you talking about his rust-covered-falling-to-pieces red car?  Huh  Wink
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2003, 10:38:34 PM »

That's great, Xichado.  It does seem to all fit together and make sense.

What do you make of the "false" Santa at the end? "Give me some charity on toast, baby?!"
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2003, 10:38:53 PM »

Don't forget, Xichado ... we have a symbolism question in the In the Line of Fire discussion just awaiting your attention!  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2003, 04:38:14 PM »

Don't forget, Xichado ... we have a symbolism question in the In the Line of Fire discussion just awaiting your attention!  Wink

 Grin Don't worry, KC! It will be taken care of.  Cheesy

I have watched the movie -for fun-, and I have been paying attention to the questions and posts but I have been busy with a few other things -not related with the board or CE- and I haven't been able to re-watch the movie, "study" it and gather my thoughts. I'm sure I will do it by the end of this week.

What do you make of the "false" Santa at the end? "Give me some charity on toast, baby?!"

Matt, at the moment nothing comes to mind. I haven't seen True Crime in awhile and I'll have to see it again and try to focus on the "toast" man ( Grin ). Every time I watch True Crime, I always see a duality: -2 different men, -2 different families, -2 different ways of looking at life, -2 dead girls, -2 priests, -the right/wrong path that justice follows, -the human (social) definition of right (true) or wrong (false).

And, I guess that our "false" Santa fits in this duality somewhere. from my point of view and from what I remember, our "toast" man is probably there to represent a few of Everett's characteristics:
• "pussy on toast" - Everett is a womanizer;
• "charity on toast"- the good deed committed by Everett  Huh

I'll get back to you on this one after watching the movie again.  Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2003, 06:12:39 AM »

I saw the movie for the first time ever on dvd last night and must ad mit it´s probably gonna be my number 2 non western/DH movie.

I think you all made some very good point about the movie, so there is little i could add there hasnt been said before, except one thing.

to me, one of the great thing about the movie was that all the characters were truly human. (by that i meen flawed, lacking in strenght, complex with good and bad sides) We dont really have a villian (Leary is the closest one) just ordinary joes whose life is portrayed over roughly 24 hours.
To me this angle meant that the movie was all about the choices we make, the everyday bigger or lesser problems and situations we are put in. We can either go out and fight the good fight (eastwood) or succumb to anger (Leary) despair ( both wives) indifference (woods)
There isnt some paragon of justice looming in the horizon, eastwood isnt draping himself in the american flag, then going out to do some justice, we just have ordinary people living their lives, flawed as they might be. (with the exception of eastwood who´s put in an unique position)
If we could all just make the right choices (wishfull thinking, i know  Roll Eyes ) do anything to better ourselves and the world around us, everyday would be like christmas. toast or no toast  Wink
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